50k-shoulder injury

**threeFs**

It's been since June... I used to do parallel bar dips with 90lb dumbbell and I weigh 200. Now I can barely do 150 on the machine (not body weight), on a good day, I can flat bench 330x4 but incline bench and body weight dips are too painful. After any chest work including cable flys, my shoulder hurts for days. Advil takes the pain from 10--->7. But I can't even sleep on my left side now because it hurts.
I'm finally scheduling an xray this week because its not getting any better. I can barely pick up my kids. And I did zero chest work from June-December to see if it would heal.
Anybody else gone through this?

**LizKing531** · 02-24-2013 08:14 AM

Subd for more info.

I've had some shoulder issues off and on. Ive been focusing on some lighter weight, more rehab type stuff lately to make sure i fix it before it progresses

**threeFs** · 02-24-2013 02:14 PM

I'm hoping cortisone will help but never had cortisone and also don't know if it is a cure or a band aid

**Rush954** · 02-28-2013 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by threeFs

I'm hoping cortisone will help but never had cortisone and also don't know if it is a cure or a band aid

Cortisone is a bad Band aid. It helps for the moment only. Cortisone eats away your tendons over time. Once you start getting them you will want to continue because it does work for relieving pain temporarily. Just my opinion I'm no professional just someone who used to receive cortisone injections in my knee when active in sports.

**threeFs** · 03-01-2013 08:15 PM

xray showed deterioration of meniscus at the clavicle humurol joint. Cortisone shot today and surgery if not better in 2 weeks. G A Y

**rambo679** · 03-05-2013 07:26 PM

I recently got over a bad rotator cuff impingement.
I had pain for about 6 months before I finally went to go see the Doc.
A cortisone shot really sped the healing along, before then I did a bout 10,000,000 external rotations, changed my push pull ratio, layed off bench for a month, and laid off overhead press for 6 months, and so on.
But I only got better to a point.
It wasn't until the cortisone knocked out the inflammation that the rehab work really began to heal it.

So cortisone can aid healing, but like other's have said, too many will weaken tendons and it's pain re-leaving properties may allow you to keep doing what injured it in the first place so be careful with it.

My original rotator cuff injury never came back. Sidenote though, I did get an overuse injury to my bicep tendon and needed another one, but as painful as it was, I was thankful it was a new injury and that I didn't re injure the old one.

**threeFs** · 03-05-2013 08:21 PM

I've been laying off presses and dips and the pain is virtually gone! That cortisone is impressive. And though I want to bench more and get back to dips again, I know I should wait...
Shoveling snow tonight wasn't the best for the shoulder but now I can at least sleep on that side.
I hope this nonsense heals up because I'm just starting to get into my groove with chest work. But I understand holding off on the short term for benefit of long term.

**rambo679** · 03-06-2013 11:36 AM

I've had to accept the fact that my days of doing dips are gone.
Too late I realized my mobility just wasn't built for it.
Now I can never reenact that Dr Dre video : (.

**kenpoengineer** · 03-06-2013 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by threeFs

I've been laying off presses and dips and the pain is virtually gone! That cortisone is impressive. And though I want to bench more and get back to dips again, I know I should wait...
Shoveling snow tonight wasn't the best for the shoulder but now I can at least sleep on that side.
I hope this nonsense heals up because I'm just starting to get into my groove with chest work. But I understand holding off on the short term for benefit of long term.

Hi 3Fs

Similar issues with this thread I started

Rotator Cuff Injury? Stay Away Lifts

**KimChee** · 03-17-2013 01:28 AM

I hate to tell you this, and your physician should have but cortisone shots deteriorate tendon and bone over time. You are allowed to receive a cortisone injection every 3 months, cortisone is a corticosteroid, used to reduce inflammation. It is a temporary fix. My advice is that you should seek physical therapy or consider surgery as an option. They will probably start you off with conservative treatment first:exercises, stretches, range of motion, ice, pulse US, etc Also, in the future you will need to be careful with or avoid overhead movements, you will have to be careful of, military press, heavy bench presses, dips, flys, etc.
It sucks but it would be helpful to change the way you train, shoulder scaption, flexion, internal and external rotation, and shoulder extension exercises. You might also want to work on some scapular stabilization exercises. If you have surgery you will not be able to actively move your arm fro 2-3 months or more. Just some things to think about..

**threeFs** · 03-25-2013 02:27 PM

I've been reading about nandrolone to help this. Anybody have experience with this?

**puccah8808** · 03-28-2013 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by KimChee

I hate to tell you this, and your physician should have but cortisone shots deteriorate tendon and bone over time. You are allowed to receive a cortisone injection every 3 months, cortisone is a corticosteroid, used to reduce inflammation. It is a temporary fix. My advice is that you should seek physical therapy or consider surgery as an option. They will probably start you off with conservative treatment first:exercises, stretches, range of motion, ice, pulse US, etc Also, in the future you will need to be careful with or avoid overhead movements, you will have to be careful of, military press, heavy bench presses, dips, flys, etc.
It sucks but it would be helpful to change the way you train, shoulder scaption, flexion, internal and external rotation, and shoulder extension exercises. You might also want to work on some scapular stabilization exercises. If you have surgery you will not be able to actively move your arm fro 2-3 months or more. Just some things to think about..

Everything you posts/ comment on makes me want to learn more from you!! Wow!

**jason.fdz** · 03-31-2013 04:08 AM

Hey, I have had my share of shoulder injuries and also see a bunch working at a PT clinic. Everything said about cortisone is true, and its good you have came to terms with saying good bye to dips, also shy away from flat bench. The external rotation that happens is so stressful on your shoulder and flys as well. Basically any lift where you can not see your hands are going to be tough to do correctly with out possibly eventually reaggravating the injury. And I just realized I'm repeating what KimChee has said, take what he says and do it. After recovering from two right shoulder surgeries and one left surgery it is better to just rest and try and avoid surgery, because if you get surgery you will be relatively pain free but your range of motion will suffer and all these exercises that aggravate it will be tough to do well anyways. Good luck and exercise all the assist or muscles around the shoulder too.

**puccah8808** · 03-31-2013 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by jason.fdz

Hey, I have had my share of shoulder injuries and also see a bunch working at a PT clinic. Everything said about cortisone is true, and its good you have came to terms with saying good bye to dips, also shy away from flat bench. The external rotation that happens is so stressful on your shoulder and flys as well. Basically any lift where you can not see your hands are going to be tough to do correctly with out possibly eventually reaggravating the injury. And I just realized I'm repeating what KimChee has said, take what he says and do it. After recovering from two right shoulder surgeries and one left surgery it is better to just rest and try and avoid surgery, because if you get surgery you will be relatively pain free but your range of motion will suffer and all these exercises that aggravate it will be tough to do well anyways. Good luck and exercise all the assist or muscles around the shoulder too.

I'm glad I read this, I just got done hitting shoulders even tho I know better because my left shoulder is all jacked up.

**freakzilla321** · Yesterday 07:31 PM

You have a lot of variations of the deltoid muscle you have anterior, lateral, and posterior. The anterior is the front and a lot of people work that muscle more than the lateral/posterior. And it causes a pulling effect from the front of the deltoid( in laymans word the front gets too big and rips the deltoid) maybe this is not your problem but it's very common with weight lifters

**puccah8808** · Yesterday 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by freakzilla321

You have a lot of variations of the deltoid muscle you have anterior, lateral, and posterior. The anterior is the front and a lot of people work that muscle more than the lateral/posterior. And it causes a pulling effect from the front of the deltoid( in laymans word the front gets too big and rips the deltoid) maybe this is not your problem but it's very common with weight lifters

Thank u!!

**newguy1110** · 07-24-2012, 10:45 AM

Hey everyone...

I was recently diagnosed with distal clavicular osteolysis or Weightlifter's shoulder. It is a painful deterioration of the distal end of the clavicle (collar bone). It is an overuse phenomenon that causes tiny fractures along the end of the clavicle. A breakdown of the bone (osteolysis) occurs.

The doctor says mine looks minor and should be okay in 4-6 months, but it has already been about 3 months and it still doesn't feel, even a little, better.
The reason for this post is because I'd like to see if anyone else has had experience with this injury.
It would be great to hear how severe your injury was, how long it took to heal and weather or not you required the surgery (Mumford procedure or distal clavicular resection)

Thank you in advance!

**newguy1110** · 07-24-2012, 12:35 PM

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**xoticmike** · 07-25-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by newguy1110

Hey everyone...

I was recently diagnosed with distal clavicular osteolysis or Weightlifter's shoulder. It is a painful deterioration of the distal end of the clavicle (collar bone). It is an overuse phenomenon that causes tiny fractures along the end of the clavicle. A breakdown of the bone (osteolysis) occurs.

I would love to hear more about this.. (e.g. how you came to realize how you had a problem, how painful it was/is during and after workouts, or if there was ever a super sharp pain associated with it early on)

**jutsinger** · 07-25-2012, 07:29 PM

I was just diagnosed with Rotator cuff tendonitis, labral tear, and distal clavicle edema. I have had these issues for 8 weeks now and it's just horrible. The dr also stated that my edema is minor but yet will take longer to heal than the other injuries. The Tendonitis can be taken care with a few more weeks of PT (already been 8 weeks), my labral tear is extremely minor/small (cartilage doesnt heal...so I will be ok if I stay away from certain activities), but the edema will take a minimum of 3-6 months.

She stated that I can't bench for a long long time and if I have to 'bench' I can do narrow grip incline and DB decline.

Xoticmike...the pain for me was a dull 'bruising' feeling at the shoulder joint (where the bicep tendon attaches) when not working out. When you are working out it feels like your shoulder is being stabbed with a knife that is on fire, coated in snake venom, and 100 wasps stinging the joint. This pain will last a few days after workout and then will gradually disappear until next workout.

**cwolf2875** · 09-29-2012, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by newguy1110

Hey everyone...

I was recently diagnosed with distal clavicular osteolysis or Weightlifter's shoulder. It is a painful deterioration of the distal end of the clavicle (collar bone). It is an overuse phenomenon that causes tiny fractures along the end of the clavicle. A breakdown of the bone (osteolysis) occurs.

The doctor says mine looks minor and should be okay in 4-6 months, but it has already been about 3 months and it still doesn't feel, even a little, better.
The reason for this post is because I'd like to see if anyone else has had experience with this injury.

It would be great to hear how severe your injury was, how long it took to heal and weather or not you required the surgery (Mumford procedure or distal clavicular resection)

Thank you in advance!

I just got back from my sport doctor this Friday and he diagnosed me with the same problem. I hurt mine back in mid-May, kept working out with it despite the pain, but finally I just stopped all shoulder and chest work at the end of July. I havnt done any chest/shoulders since, but the doctor actually told me to get back in the gym and "stop babying it" (in the nicest way possible haha). Basically he explained that the problem will heal on its own but it could take 6 months to many years before I will no longer feel pain. He said that if after a month of hitting it back in the gym the pain is just too much to deal with, then I could come back in for surgery. He explained it as a 15 minute outpatient procedure and that he's had patients get back in the gym and work out full strength within 3 days.

That being said, I still would prefer to avoid surgery at all costs, but when I cant even do a dip/pushup/bench press meaningful weight without significant pain, I'm not sure how long I'll be able to live with it.

**PalmSpringer** · 10-05-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by cwolf2875

I just got back from my sport doctor this Friday and he diagnosed me with the same problem. I hurt mine back in mid-May, kept working out with it despite the pain, but finally I just stopped all shoulder and chest work at the end of July. I havnt done any chest/shoulders since, but the doctor actually told me to get back in the gym and "stop babying it" (in the nicest way possible haha). Basically he explained that the problem will heal on its own but it could take 6 months to many years before I will no longer feel pain. He said that if after a month of hitting it back in the gym the pain is just too much to deal with, then I could come back in for surgery. He explained it as a 15 minute outpatient procedure and that he's had patients get back in the gym and work out full strength within 3 days.

That being said, I still would prefer to avoid surgery at all costs, but when I cant even do a dip/pushup/bench press meaningful weight without significant pain, I'm not sure how long I'll be able to live with it.

I hurt mine in May, and here we are into October. I went to my primary care doctor in June and he said it was an AC injury, which I had already self diagnosed through research (mostly on this site). He said rest it for 6 to 8 weeks. I did not do ANY upper body weightlifting for the next two months. It did gradually get better, but not to the point where i felt comfortable resuming lifting. I decided to go see a Orthopedic Doctor that specializes in shoulder injuries. After an x-ray he said it was DCO. He didn't feel like it was too serious because i have a good ROM, and my pain level has dropped to about a 3 on a scale of 1 - 10.

He said he would do surgery if that is what i wanted, but i should continue to rest it as our bodies have a way of healing themselves. That was two months ago, and I still feel the same. So now i don't know what to do. I am turning 50 next month and am in very good shape for my age, and it's killing me to go to the gym and only do cardio and leg workouts. I started doing very light weights for biceps and triceps, and it does give me a little pain, but I so want to get back to lifting. I am not one to jump into surgery, but i am beginning to believe that my recovery has gone as far as it is going to go.

12-22-2012, 09:03 AM	#1
Ryan Attar Member Profile: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto ON Canada Posts: 1	Any luck healing Distal Clavicle Osteolysis without Surgery I know there are several threads about Distal Clavicle, but I'd like to start this one for anyone who can share about any recovery they've had WITHOUT SURGERY. I'd like to heal my shoulder without going under the knife. About 9 months ago I started getting slight pain in my shoulder. I think it might have been from hand-release-pushups, which I was doing a lot of at the time. Unfortunately, the pain at the start wasnt enough to bother me, so I trained through the pain (and probably made it worse). Eventually it became a bit more painful, and I could feel the separation between my clavicle and scapula. At the worst point, I could not do dips or do anything that required reaching back (wrapping a town around was the worst). An orthopedic surgeon diagnosed me as having Discal Clavicle Osteolysis. After this I avoided the painful exercises... dips, muscleups, bench, and to be safe shoulder press(although wasnt painful)... for a month or two, and the pain went away. My physical therapist suggested rotary cuff strengthening exercises, which I did, starting with a rubber band, and now I use resistance via a cable machine. Now, the pain in my shoulder is virtually gone, but there is still significant separation. Also, my good shoulder is now separated (but no pain)! Dips, pushups, and benching feel very strange on both of my shoulders and they click and grinds a lot... so I still avoid them. I also don't do any kipping, the swinging feels like it puts too much strain on my shoulders. This is unfortunate for me because in the past I was very strong with the gymnastic side of crossfit. I've been doing a lot of kettlebell work lately... swings and turkish gettups have been my friends. Light weight overhead squatting with barbells seem to feel good on my shoulder, so I do that. So I do that exercise a bit too. Other then that I squat, dealfit (seems to not put any strain on my joint), jump rope, and run. I miss jumping up on the rings or doing massive sets up kips Anyone out there recovered from this without surgery? Any tips?

12-23-2012, 08:06 PM	#2
Sean Rockett Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Natick MA Posts: 383	Re: Any luck healing Distal Clavicle Osteolysis without Surgery If it is true osteolysis of the distal clavicle, then it is either wait and see and modify, PT or have surgery


	Rotator cuff impingement	Differentiate via physical exam, injection test, X-rays

	Calcific Tendinitis Early adhesive capsulitis Glenohumeral arthritis	Differentiate via physical exam, injection test, x-ray. Evaluate presence of calcific deposits or DJD. Evaluate range of motion (active versus passive).

	Rheumatoid arthritis Gout and pseudogout Septic arthritis Hyperparathyroidism	Evaluate with serologic studies when necessary.

	Ganglia and cysts	Associated with large rotator cuff tears

	Tumors	Ewing’s sarcoma in children. Myeloma and lymphoma in adults.

	Referred pain	Consider cervical radiculopathy, cardiac, pulmonary, or gastrointestinal disorders.

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